How a new TREC rule affects your license renewals

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01/07/2015 | Author: Editorial Staff

When you renew your real estate license, make sure your CE is complete and processed when you submit your renewal application.

A new Texas Real Estate Commission rule effective Jan. 1, 2015, changes the timing of the CE-deferral fee. Previously, this $200 fee was charged after renewal if the CE was not complete by the time a license expired. Now the fee will be charged for any renewal applications received without documentation of the proper CE credits.

Education providers have up to 10 days to submit course-completion documents to TREC, so make sure you allow enough time for the provider to submit these documents—and for TREC to process them—before you submit your renewal. Otherwise, you may incur the CE-deferral fee.

Categories: Legal
Tags: trec, mce, fees, license renewal


Comments

Lucretia on 06/11/2016

Pretend I take my required MCE 6 months ahead of due date. The day I finish the course and go home, IF I pay online for my renewal I will get a $200 “penalty” because I have not waited until TREC website SHOWS my MCE. That is what the complaining is about. 
And MCE providers that don’t turn in paperwork within the 10 day time period Should have Written SIGNED complaints filed with TREC.

Blaise Timco on 02/27/2016

Please note that CE and SAE requirements have changed for 2016:

18 Hours of CE (formerly called MCE): comprised of 4 hours of Legal I Update, 4 hours of Legal II Update and 10 hours of electives.

SAE (first two years) has also changed in 2016:

98 hours SAE: comprised of 4 hours of Legal I Update, 4 hours of Legal II Update and 90 hours of Core courses (30-hour courses).

E R Bonson on 02/11/2016

RE: Mariangel Wilkinson on 02/11/2016.
Not sure about Texas but in Calif after being licensed in good standing for 35 years you are exempt from ConEd/MCE.  I have only been licensed almost 26 years so far.
I renew my broker license every 4 year in Calif. Every 2 years in Texas where its more expensive and time consuming

Mariangel Wilkinson on 02/11/2016

This is a blog conversation, so comments are expected and appreciated. I agree with Mamie. Having to renew every 2 years is maybe ok. They want to make sure we are still around? But the amount of time spent on CE is becoming a joke. Trying to find something new to take or meaningful after xx years is crazy. I have actually been a Realtor since 1969. I even have the original “Board of Realtors” card to prove it. If I don’t know what I need to know and then some by now, heaven help me! Yes, updates on ethics and legal stuff and even documents, etc is important, but beyond that, 18 hours is nuts. After so many years and no complaints maybe TREC should exempt some of us who have been around for a few decades and sold hundreds of homes,(or more- gave up keeping track years ago) .

Mamie Thomas on 02/10/2016

It seems that the amount of CE hours have increased lately. I took the Ethic and Legal
class a year early, as to not wait until the last minute and now I find more hours are required. Where can I go to get the elective classes on line if no one is offering them. August 2016 I have been a Realtor for 30 years, less face I have had a lot of classes and feel the only classes I should have to take is new issues.

OSCAR VACA on 01/10/2016

EVERY TWO YEARS TO GET CONTINUING EDUCATION MAY BE A BIT TOO MUCH FOR ACTIVE REALTORS.  I BELIEVE THAT EVERY THREE YEARS WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE SINCE THINGS DON’T REALLY CHANGE THAT MUCH.  ALSO MANY COURSES HAVE REPETITIVE INFORMATION WHICH WE HAVE TO DIGEST TO KEEP OUR LICENSE CURRENT.  IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO STRUCTURE THE TRAINING TO MANDATORY UPDATES ON CHANGES TO FORMS OR RULES SO WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON THE NEW AND NOT JUST REPETITIVE EDUCATION.  FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU CHANGE SOMETHING MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT TO RECEIVE TRAINING ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM OR ISSUE.  THE ETHICS AND LEGAL SHOULD BE COMBINED TO ONE FOUR HOUR MORNING OF CLASS TRAINING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.  K.I.S.S.

Joyce on 02/03/2015

I normally do not respond to negative malevolent comments, but some readers apparently did not fully undertake my comment I made about the $200. fine.  I am in no way asking for a free pass of any kind. Just to have someone to look at the other side of the coin.
So please, allow me to summarize my statement!
I made the comment that some of the “STATE APPROVED PROVIDERS” do not always turn in our hours on time. For the record, I am one of those update my classes 4-6 month ahead of my expiration deadline. This past year I took my class in April and the MCE was not posted until July.
Yes, I did track and check my hours on the TREC website and saw that my classes had not been posted in a timely manner.  And, yes,  I called my provider and was told they would send my hours into TREC the very next day, and the next, and the next day. I called TREC to complain and no response!
I simply feel that some of the STATE APPROVED PROVIDERS” WHO DO NOT ALWAYS TURN IN OUR HOURS IN A TIMELY MANNER SHOULD BE PANELIZE. NOT US, ESPECIALLY WHEN I TAKE MY CLASSES EARLY!
This was not an indictment on TREC but the way the process needs to be revamped in my opinion so people like myself and others who take early courses do not have to keep running to the TREC site to see if our classes are posted.
From a very responsible, capable and professional Realtor who want to see a more positive ways of getting things in our industry.  I would simply like to see more positive flow not the negative come from our industry.

Jeanette on 02/03/2015

Wow—get much business with that condescending attitude?? Doubt it. I’ve never had a problem getting my CE finished in plenty of time—however, the TREC website is ridiculous!

Marcia Livingston on 02/03/2015

(1) I don’t relate to the “not fair” comment… but then when I was growing up my folks didn’t reward whining. As for the other procrastinators, if you don’t like being in a business for grown-ups, you’re welcome to look for other employment.  (2) Can’t find your MCE credits? Let me hold your hand: From TREC’s home page, the box at top left, first item is “License holder info search”.  (3) I’ve been licensed for 37 years and have NEVER had an issue with MCE not being posted in a reasonable time. You are responsible for signing the instructor’s MCE sheet.  Don’t expect anyone to stick it under your nose. (4) If you have a legitimate issue with a provider not posting your hours, then file a formal complaint.

Joyce Tate on 01/19/2015

I do not feel this is fair to us as Realtors due to the fact that we do not control the MCE providers timeline for turning in our hours.
I always taken my classes 2-3 months ahead of my deadline and I always have that one provider who just can not seem to send in the information in a timely manner.
Just this past year, I had to call my provider over ten (10) times to get him to turn in my hours.
TREC already knows which of this providers have a reputation of turning in their paper work late. So, I feel you should penalize these folks who are late turning in our hours.  We are the victims here.

It looks like TREC is acting more like the IRS more and more each day…. It’s like they are always trying to find more ways to T-A-K-E our little crumps from us.  They
have no idea how much we have to put up with to make a dollar!

Jeanette on 01/14/2015

re-a change on our forms not getting this many comments. A change in a promulgated form is easy to understand whereas, TREC’s site is NOT! The difference in counting hours before you’re licensed and the first year you’re licensed VS every year after that, the difference in how NAR reports your education and how TREC reports it—ALL very confusing! I can understand Real Estate, promulgated forms, and the legal aspect of it all day! One second on TREC’s poorly put together website is mind blowing!

Jim R Schaffrath on 01/13/2015

For a more laughable view; watch an old British satire titled Brazil.

It depicts life as totally controlled by a mindless invisible bureaucracy (The Bureau of Redundancy Bureau). 

We march like lemmings to the call of the mindless bureaucracy without ever asking “why”.

Richard Weeks on 01/13/2015

Carlos Blunck.  Just go to the TREC web site and enter you license number.  All courses you have taken will show up under your name.

Here is a link:

http://www.trec.state.tx.us/newsandpublic/licenseeLookup/LicenseeDetail.aspx?inType=01&id=ng&inLicno=632332

Don Eichler on 01/13/2015

I have commented on this one before my problem was not me but the MCE provider did not get my course to TREC on time.  In fact they lost it somewhere I guess they use the cloud system.  Who gets fined when this happen?
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Richard Weeks on 01/13/2015

Funny a change to a promulgated form would not generate this many responses.

Carlos Blunck on 01/13/2015

One stupid question? I had some courses, Where I can find out how many MCE hours I have?

Mariangel Wilkinson on 01/12/2015

EXACTLY!

Henry Santamaria on 01/12/2015

One very simple question. If I pay for my renewal before my license expires and I take take the proper CE also before my license expires, what have I done wrong that merits a $200 fine?

Marilyn Glendenning on 01/09/2015

On another, but related area, as a new agent many years ago, I missed the deadline for MCE due to confusion over deadlines and was fined. This has followed me all these years as “disciplinary actions” on the TREC website. After perhaps 5 years, shouldn’t these minor mistakes be forgiven and removed from our records? ....or at least from public records?

Glenda Smith on 01/08/2015

This is a hopeful way to get licensees to take required renewal courses in a timely manner.  If licensees took their required courses early, there would be no need for this new rule.  What I’ve heard for 35 years is people waiting until the last minute to take required courses.  Even the penalty will not stop procrastinators, as it is a life style for 97% of individuals in any career…...  Of course, those irresponsible individuals then want to blame the system.  I’m sure this comment will not be accepted as good criticism.  What can one say?  Truth is, truth is!!!!!!!

Mariangel Wilkinson on 01/08/2015

There is no clerk looking at this stuff anymore. The computer looks. Once all the data is in, it spits out your license. In fact, they had to reprogram the computer to spit out the fine if the money comes before all the classes. Next they will say if you don’t do your classes in the proper order you’ll be fined. Remember, this is a government agency, not our Realtor association. It’s a bunch of bureaucrats crunching number to see how they can get more money. That is part of their job description.  This has nothing to do with clerks in the office or doing real estate correctly or serving the public or anything else important. That is what is maddening. The computer is not going to give you your license until all your classes are done AND the money is paid. So who cares what order?

Lanie Evans on 01/08/2015

Both sides have obviously good points. Yes, we are business people who monitor 12 calendars, navigate emotional upheavals, blah, blah, blah.  However, this comes down to the way almost the entirety of everything else we do is done: it is based on deadlines in calendars and pass/fail. Our contracts have deadlines and we triage these multiple project deadlines everyday, because one just became more important than another. That is what we do.  Our tests are generally: 70% is perfection. Our legislature meets every 2 years, because in Texas we know, the less they meet, the less they screwup in our system of handling the bureaucrats….‘cause that’s what we really do: as Realtors®, we are a unique group of people who are superb at navigating systems.  We have to be.  They change everyday, and in half of the time Moore’s Law takes to make a cycle in technology.  We don’t need a moving line in the sand in Texas.  That was settled long ago.

Candy Cargill on 01/08/2015

As good REALTORS this TREC change shouldn’t bother you at all because I’m sure you willingly attending classes to keep you not only current but ahead of the pack.  That’s what we do!  If anyone gets upset about learning more in order to do a better job for your clients, maybe a career move is in order.

Cindy Allen on 01/08/2015

I don’t understand all the grumbling. As professionals, who daily monitor deadlines in contracts, one more surely isn’t that big of a deal?  It seems there should be a charge for requiring clerks to have to look up the information more than once.

Crystal Burrows on 01/08/2015

TREC doing what it does best, figuring out a way to get deeper into our pockets!

Bonson on 01/08/2015

1. Actually the “Real” problem is that we have to do this every 2 years and we get rape in Texas. My California Brokers License is renewed every 4 years for $300, less than 1/3 the cost of Texas, plus having to pay for Continuing Ed twice as often in Texas. And I recall that the first time in Texas was only good for 1 year.
2. And, as mentioned, those waiting til the last few days to complete it is normally not the best idea

Ray Faragher on 01/08/2015

It’s going to take care of two items/issues for TREC all at the same time; first it will be a new revenue stream for them as many will surely fall into this scenario, and second it will free up their clerks time from having to go back and search for updated MCE from licensees, therefore cutting down on their labor expenses.. The new rule will be not to procrastinate, rather get your education filed early, unless of course you don’t care about the $200, and if you don’t care, then carry on, business as usual.

Bertina Schreiber on 01/08/2015

I looked back and paid December 22, 2014 so I guess the rule doesn’t apply to me after all this but it is a good reminder be early on our renewal and our classes.  They have us over a barrel and that’s the final point!  Another way to get more money out of us!

Joe Zepeda on 01/08/2015

I guess the real problem is that you are given 2 years to complete your courses, and now TREC in its infinite wisdom is just trying another angle to get into your pockets.  They are no different from your local Boards.  This is another bureacratic rule to “catch” the agent.  If they give you until 2 years, then they should stick to it.  Otherwise say 1 year, 11 months and 20 days.  It’s not whether you procrastinated or not, it’s if they can follow the legislative intent, instead of some clerk being put off because they didn’t get all the boxes in their computer fields checked to their liking.  We have no choice or power in the matter, people making rules that affect us, but don’t care how it affects us, except to show that “hey, here’s another rule I effected”; therefore I must be doing something important.

Brandon Werst on 01/08/2015

Exactly Mariangel.

It does not only apply to those that wait until the last minute like many here feel it does.

It applies to anyone that is just trying to get this done and out of the way.

Your courses better be credited prior to filing your renewal!

Mariangel Wilkinson on 01/08/2015

I always try to get mine done way early, so that is not my issue. But this new rule has nothing to do with when your license expires. It could be a year later or a day. The point is if you PAY the dues (before your license has expired) and any of your courses have not been credited yet, you will owe TREC $200 even if the license isn’t expired. That really makes no sense. If I pay the money to TREC and then complete my courses or they get turned in after that, and my license isn’t expired yet, why in the world would TREC need a fine??? I am just shaking my head. Why was this even an issue they needed to address. If you pay your license and do all your classes before your license expires, whether it is a day, a month or a year ahead, why did TREC need this rule? Someone sitting in a back room said, “hey, I just came up with a great idea for a rule we can trip up agents with and get more money for TREC!” He or she probably won a prize.

Gregory Charles Nuber on 01/08/2015

For Gosh Sakes, get your education hours complete long before the license expires, why is it that so many wait until the 2 weeks prior to expiration and then cram in the hours? Gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Don Eichler on 01/08/2015

I would hope that the problems that I had this past year are not the normal.  I could have been fined because the company that I used to complete my required courses did not get the information to TREC until long after my license date expired. I contacted the provider many times and they did not follow thru even though
my records were on their files.  I will never use that popular online provider again.

Chip Staniswalis on 01/08/2015

The CE deferral fee was discussed in the December TREC Advisor. We asked TREC about renewals before 1/1/15 (the effective date). They replied:
“The rule change does not take effect until 01/01/15.  If the license holder pays prior to the rule change they will not be assessed the fee with renewal.  As long as the education is completed by the expiration date then the MCE deferral fee will not apply.  Any license renewals paid 01/01/15 going forward will be under the new rule below. “
Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Lucaya Riley
Customer Service Representative
Reception & Communication Services
Texas Real Estate Commission/

Le Green Schubert on 01/08/2015

Bertina was caught in the middle of a rule change. She renewed before the announcement of the $200 fine.
I would hope that she’s not penalized for not following the rule before knowing it was being made.

Bertina Schreiber on 01/08/2015

I have tons of hours…that’s not the issue.  The issue is having the Legal/Ethics course done by the time it’s needed.  I waited because I am going on an MCE cruise Saturday which will fulfill my legal/ethics course two months before it’s due.  But, I already renewed my license because the last time I did it online it took weeks because of their site being down or compromised.  It was frustrating and if you mail it in, they catch you for additional fee.  It seems it’s all about the money. 

Loni Jones on 01/08/2015

Just check under your license to make sure all your hours have already been reported before renewing…. Not that hard people lol.

Tim sweeney on 01/08/2015

Bertina Schreiber makes an excellent point about why this particular rule along with a $200 fine,  is unneeded and unwarranted.

Cindy Wingo on 01/08/2015

Brandon,
I am not judging you, and I’m sorry if you took my comment as “negative”; however, I think the moral of the story is to not wait until the last month of a two year period to take your renewal classes.  Am I missing something here?

Brandon Werst on 01/08/2015

Cindy and Richard, instead of the negative aspect of a chance to judge people, there is more to this.

Like Bertina says…this is a $200 fine if you file for your extension prior to the MCE provider turning in your proof of taking your last course.

So basically TREC is saying…complete your courses, and then wait up to 10 days until those courses are turned in by the provider before you file your extension…or face a $200 fine.

Cindy Wingo on 01/08/2015

Like Richard said above, we have two years to take care of these requirements!  How much more time do you need to make sure you have taken the appropriate classes?  Get organized people!

Bertina Schreiber on 01/08/2015

I just renewed my license early to avoid any problems.  Now, this week I will be taking my required Legal/Ethics two months before my actual renewal date in March.  Does this mean I will have to pay the $200 for being early on my renewal paperwork and paying early.  This doesn’t seem fair.

OSCAR VACA on 01/08/2015

TREC NEEDS TO CONCENTRATE ON MINIMIZING CHANGES THAT BURDEN THE REAL ESTATE ENVIRONMENT.  RULE CHANGES, CONTRACT CHANGES WAITING FOR ANSWERS, ETC.., ALL IMPEDE THE PROCESS.  IF IT’S NOT (REALLY) BROKEN, WHY TRY TO FIX IT?  IT SEEMS THAT THE TASK AT HAND IS NOT SERVICE BUT DEVIOUS PLANNING BY TREC ON HOW TO JUSTIFY THEIR EXISTENCE.  LEAVE THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE, QUIT COMPLICATING THE PROCESS, AND PROVIDE BETTR SERVICE.

Chip Staniswalis on 01/08/2015

Another rule change from TREC: MCE is now referred to as “CE” (§535.70, Definitions.

Richard Weeks on 01/07/2015

We have 2 years to complete 15 hours of required mce.  If one cannot complete this requirement they can either pay the fine or let their license go inactive. 

I think this is a good rule change.

Cindy Cox on 01/07/2015

TREC site is in need of another improvement in member status information.  Not only if MCE is current but also what is lacking to complete requirements.  This would save time for members and staff who answer this question regularly I’m sure.

Jim R Schaffrath on 01/07/2015

Who asked for opportunity to witness another lawyer run bureacracy hammering its constituancy with draconian fines because…, they can!?

In this computer age, TREC can’t tell you on the spot if your MCE Is current!?

Am I the only one tiring of imperious bureaucrats!?


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